The Truth About COVID Hospital Protocols: Stella Paul

[FULL TRANSCRIPT BELOW] During the COVID-19 pandemic, “patients lost all rights when they went in the hospital,” says Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) in the documentary “Making a Killing.” “They became prisoners.”

In this episode, we sit down with Stella Paul, a medical writer who has been investigating what she describes as “deadly” hospital protocols during the pandemic—and the financial incentives behind them.

“There were huge bonuses on what they were paid by the government if they used Remdesivir and if they ventilated—and both of those treatments are extremely dangerous,” Ms. Paul says.

In this episode, she breaks down what she and others have uncovered.

Views expressed in this video are opinions of the host and the guest, and do not necessarily reflect the views of The Epoch Times.   

FULL TRANSCRIPT

Jan Jekielek:
Stella Paul, such a pleasure to have you on American Thought Leaders.

Stella Paul:
It’s such a great pleasure to be here. Thank you, Jan.

Mr. Jekielek:
You’ve been doing some remarkable work looking back at the hospital deaths that happened around Covid-19. There was a drug called Remdesivir described by numerous doctors on this show as something that shouldn’t be used. You’ve gone deeper and looked at these perverse incentive structures around particular protocols that often led to bad outcomes. I want to explore all that, but let’s start with your personal story and how you got involved in all of this.

Ms. Paul:
I dedicate all my work writing about the hospital protocol and speaking about it to the memory of my late husband who suffered very intensely. His story was a bit different from the stories that I’m going to tell you. We’re going to talk about the hospital protocol that you mentioned. His story is different, but it shines a light on the protocol and the fact that the protocol was never necessary.

When Covid hit, my husband had been living in a nursing home for six years in New York City. He was paralyzed from a stroke and needed a lot of care. When Covid hit, Governor Cuomo signed an executive order forcing nursing homes to take Covid patients. That was an extraordinarily dangerous thing to do and that was medical arson. You are throwing the lit match of these Covid patients into direct contact with the most frail and vulnerable people.

Immediately, people in his nursing home began dying, including staff with young children. It was utterly chaotic and tragic. Through a series of miracles, we managed to get my husband into a hospital considered to be the best hospital in the state. I’m going to give you the date, because the history that we’ve lived through is already rapidly fading, and so many things have happened.

The executive order was March 25th or 26th, 2020. My husband went into the emergency room April 1st, 2020. This is the absolute beginning of this whole epic experience we’ve been through. The hospital treated him with hydroxychloroquine. On April 1st, 2020, this was already known and they already were successfully treating it. They had put together their own package of hydroxychloroquine plus, and it worked. It worked on my husband, who was a frail man who had been in a nursing home for six years.

The regimen was for five days, and he got back to baseline. In five days, he got back to where he was and he went back to the nursing home. On April 1st, 2020, it was known at this hospital and I assume others that hydroxychloroquine worked and none of these other protocols were necessary. All these tragedies that we lived through; the lockdowns, kids missing school, vaccines, mandates, and all these shattered lives were not necessary. Hydroxychloroquine worked. It was safe, effective, inexpensive, and they knew that right from the beginning.

My husband went back to the nursing home and lived there for 10 months in total isolation. Family couldn’t see him and nobody could see him. He never felt the sunlight on his face or breathed fresh air for even a minute, except for when he was loaded in a van to go to the hospital. That was his life. He never saw an unmasked face because all the staff was masked.

In January 2021, they brought out a shiny, new miracle of salvation for everybody: the vaccine. The first place that got it was the nursing homes. I begged him not to take it. I did my research and I knew it was dangerous. He wanted to take it and took it eight days later. He had a heart attack.

I feel like my experience touches on many aspects of this because we had this hospitalization. I personally know that this protocol which I’m going to describe to you was unnecessary. All we had to do was treat with hydroxychloroquine. I’ve lived through the lockdown, the isolation, and the absolute degradation of health that these protocols caused, and I’ve lived through the vaccine heart damage afterwards.

I passionately identify with the people who lost their loved ones in the hospital. I know it wasn’t necessary. I feel their frustration, their grief, and their emotional torture. It resonates with me profoundly, and I want to help them.

Mr. Jekielek:
Please tell me about your professional background before we continue, so people know where you’re coming from.

Ms. Paul:
Yes. Stella Paul is my pen name, just to provide me with a little cover. I’m talking about hot topics here, and I would like that little fig leaf. I’m a professional writer and have had an interesting, varied career. I spent the last 15 years or so covering medical topics. When Covid hit, I was familiar with what I was seeing with the mainstream medical establishment jumping on to a bandwagon and demonizing hydroxychloroquine.

I was already very familiar with the pattern of mainstream media not being terribly interested in non-prescription solutions and everything going in a prescription direction. I saw that things were leading to the official pronouncement, “Nothing’s going to work until we get the vaccine.” That was a familiar pattern to me from my years of medical reporting.

Mr. Jekielek:
I do want to talk about what happened in the hospitals, step by step. The bottom line is the protocols that were used for the people who were admitted to the hospital, and were only supposed to be used when you were already very, very ill.

There are 20 different drugs and combinations that can treat Covid and that’s the best way to do it, But if you got it more seriously, you then entered into a very risky situation. Then there were these particular sets of protocols that were incentivized to be used in a particular way. Let’s dive into that.

Ms. Paul:
As a warning, we’re going to talk about disgusting things and sickening things. I would like to discuss the structure that allowed it to happen because people may have trouble believing this. The first thing that allowed this to happen was that hospitals were shut down to all elective procedures. They were told they couldn’t do hip replacements or stents.

All the normal hustle and bustle of the hospital disappeared. All the normal economic revenue and the big money makers of the hospital disappeared, which is very relevant to what happened. This just happened overnight—a total transformation of the hospital. The hospitals were told, “No visitors,” so your family couldn’t be there.

As somebody whose husband was in medical settings for years and years, I know the importance of family. I can’t imagine my husband going through these things without me by his side, but families were not allowed to be there. This, in my opinion, was a key point. You were in there, you were sick, you were terrified, and your family wasn’t there to protect you. If the hospital had been filled with family members, they would’ve joined together and tried to stop what was going on. I want to say that first.

Mr. Jekielek:
We have this situation where there’s no revenue. The hospitals are wondering where they’re going to get money, and they might even be shut down. That’s what the administrators might be thinking. At the same time, there aren’t any functional people around the person who has been admitted.

Ms. Paul:
That’s right, and that’s very unusual. Right there, you see this is an extremely unusual thing. The next step in setting up the structure that allowed them to do this protocol was the PREP Act [Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act]. The PREP Act was activated when Covid was declared as an official emergency. The PREP Act kicked in and said, “In case of an emergency…” Then pretty much anything goes legally, because it’s an emergency.

They put a huge, impenetrable legal shield over anything that happens in the hospital; any medication, any treatment, and any action by staff is legally covered. Put that together with what I just said, “You’re in there all alone. Your family is not there to protect you. The staff knows that whatever they do to you, they’re legally invulnerable.” That’s a bad combination.

Mr. Jekielek:
There’s a couple of things that I’ve heard about, and one of them was that the ventilators were used too much.

Ms. Paul:
Correct.

Mr. Jekielek:
Once someone is put on a ventilator, their chances of survival go down a lot.

Ms. Paul:
That’s right.

Mr. Jekielek:
The other thing I heard about was Remdesivir. Dr. Marik had his career destroyed for his refusal to use this protocol when he was running the critical care unit in Norfolk. He was pretty serious about never using that drug. Please tell me about how this protocol plays out.

Ms. Paul:
It’s all financially incentivized by the CARES Act [Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act], which is $2.2 trillion to deal with Covid and hundreds of billions going to the hospitals. But for the hospitals to really collect that big money, they had to do the treatments you just described. There were huge bonuses paid out by the government if they used Remdesivir and if they ventilated. Both those treatments are extremely dangerous and often fatal, but the government paid for them.

Everybody who comes into the hospital must get a Covid test. If you’re found positive, the hospital gets paid a bonus. If you’re admitted into the hospital, the money meter starts going. The Remdesivir provides the hospital with a 20 percent boost on the entire hospital bill if they give you Remdesivir, and that’s a lot of money. Remdesivir destroys the kidneys. It became notorious for this and acquired the nickname, “Run, Death is Near,” because it very quickly became obvious that it was killing the patients.

It was used, and infamously so, in an Ebola trial. It was so bad they had to stop the study. It was tried for other illnesses and it failed every single time. Remdesivir was lying in this garbage heap of failed drugs and Dr. Anthony Fauci came along and he said, “This is the drug I want. This is the drug I want to be the first and only emergency use authorized, FDA-approved drug for Covid.”

Speaker 3:
Remdesivir will receive this emergency use authorization for the duration of the Covid-19 pandemic.

Ms. Paul:
They said, “Let’s give it to 28-day-old babies.” Now, an important point to mention here is informed consent, which is the basis of ethical medicine. There was no informed consent in the hospitals. There was no information and there was no consent. Word got around quickly that Remdesivir was deadly, so patients started showing up at the hospitals saying they didn’t want it. They had signs saying, “No Remdesivir.”

I’m going to tell you some stories about what was going on. Ray Lamar showed up at that emergency room in Mississippi and he had written here with a black Sharpie pen, “No vent. No Remdesivir.” They gave him Remdesivir without telling him.

Christine Johnson came into the emergency room and said, “My daughter is a nurse, and I discuss all my medications with her. I don’t want Remdesivir.” They gave it to her while she was sleeping. Now, Michelle doesn’t have her mom.

I want to tell you about Rebecca Stevens because she read The Epoch Times. She was an avid reader and she heard about Remdesivir from you. She said, “No Remdesivir,” five separate times, and that is documented in her medical records. They gave it to her anyway, and they didn’t tell her. Now, her five grandsons don’t have their grandma.

Mr. Jekielek:
When you say there was no informed consent, are you saying they didn’t tell people? What I think of is they didn’t tell people about the possible harms of the protocol. But you’re saying something more than that with these examples, correct? You’re talking about people going against the will of the patient.

Ms. Paul:
That’s right. There was no informed consent of, “Let’s sit down. I want to tell you about Remdesivir. It’s known to damage the kidneys and you’re a kidney patient. Do you consent to do this?” No, there was no conversation like that at all. Again, it was all covered by the PREP Act, so they didn’t have to have the conversation.

Mr. Jekielek:
There was also this climate of fear. I’m just trying to imagine this situation, because most people wouldn’t give people drugs that they knew were bad.

Ms. Paul:
This is when they said, “We’re doing this protocol. This is what the federal government pays for. They don’t pay for other drugs.” Patti Myers came in and she absolutely demanded ivermectin for her husband, Tony. She miraculously got a doctor to give Tony ivermectin for two days, and then he was getting better. Then she was told, “No, it’s not FDA-approved. We can’t give him that.” He didn’t make it.

But I want to go back to this concept of the other part of informed consent. You say, “No,” and that is recorded in your medical records, but they give it to you anyway. Michael Hamilton is a lawyer who’s representing bereaved families. It’s very hard to get lawyers for this issue. This is a frustration for these families because the lawyers say, “I can’t get past the PREP Act. There is no path into these cases.”

But Michael is one of the brave and ingenious ones trying to do it. God bless him and all the others. They were using so many drugs on these people. He and I have seen the records. These patients were given 50 medications, sometimes medications that were contraindicated for each other. These people were lying there in a stupor, out of it on fentanyl and morphine, then they were given Remdesivir.

Mr. Jekielek:
It sounds like a total madness among the staff. It’s hard to comprehend.

Ms. Paul:
One of the most important things that I want to say to people watching is this is going on right now. This is still on the books. I’d ask people to listen carefully to what I’m saying and please share this information with your family and friends. They have not backed down from this. There has been no backing down or any acknowledgement of the carnage that this has caused.

There has actually been a doubling down. The FDA just approved Remdesivir for patients with kidney disease who are on dialysis. Remdesivir kills you by destroying your kidneys and they just approved it for kidney patients.

Mr. Jekielek:
How can you explain that?

Ms. Paul:
There are strong financial ties involved with everything that has happened. Why did Fauci pick this drug off the garbage heap, as I just described? It’s made by Gilead Sciences. The people from the NIH who testified to the CDC and said, “This is a good drug,” have strong ties with Gilead Sciences.

When anything is going on that seems like sheer lunacy and madness and seems incomprehensible, I suspect the reason is financial ties. This is one of the reasons. It’s very important that at least some of these lawyers representing families get their cases into court and we get into discovery and start looking at the documents and discovering what exactly these financial ties are.

Mr. Jekielek:
I understand that you have talked to a great number of people that are aware of this process or saw the medical records. How did you discover this process and how all these incentive structures work?

Ms. Paul:
Thank you so much for asking that question. It’s absolutely key. We’re living through a historical time, The Epoch Times must document this time period. We have to capture this history now. There are many groups doing this. There’s the Covid-19 Humanity Betrayal Memory Project. They have gotten a thousand testimonies so far and they’re getting more every day.

You can go online and see them. I want to give a hat tip to the interviewers. Who is doing these interviews? People who lost their loved ones in the hospital. They have volunteered to do this and get testimonies from other families. It’s so painful for them, but they’re doing it. You can read these testimonies online and there are other groups doing this as well.

Right now, The Children’s Health Defense Fund has a bus going around the country with video cameras. People line up, go in there, and tell their stories. They’re hearing dozens of stories everywhere they go. People want to tell their story and they all sound similar.

It’s all the same story and a variation on a theme. The Covid-19 Humanity Betrayal Memory Project has over one thousand testimonies, and they have the medical documents that go with them. They have analyzed them, which is extremely useful, and they found 25 commonalities.

The horrible things I’m about to take you through are in the 25 commonalities. These are in over a thousand testimonies, again and again. Thousands of desperate families contact the few lawyers like Michael Hamilton who are willing to do this. He’s heard these stories again and again. It’s like a ritualistic nightmare.

Mr. Jekielek:
Please tell me what the commonalities are.

Ms. Paul:
One commonality is that they isolate you from your family, then they give you Remdesivir. They use the resulting shutdown of your kidneys and retention of fluids to say, “You can’t handle food and water now.” Then they starve and dehydrate these people. It’s horrible. These people are starving and dehydrated. They are told, “You’re sick with Covid,” but they’re not treating you for Covid.

You are being poisoned with Remdesivir and you have no nutrition in you. Frequently, they call in a psychiatrist to say that you’re agitated, so they can start filling you with sedatives like fentanyl and morphine. That also shuts down your body’s ability to respond and fend off the Remdesivir.

Then the next step is ventilation. But first, there is an important step to get you ventilated, because in your medical records, they have to show the justification for the ventilation. It was a big ticket item in terms of the financial incentives. They wanted to move you along to that and giving you oxygen was a transition step.

It is done with a BiPap machine, an oxygen machine that involves putting a mask on your face and cranking it up to maximum pressure, whether you need the oxygen or not. We have testimony from the mother of Daniel Alvarez, a 28-year-old special needs young lady who had a perfect oxygen level. She was given this treatment and then ventilated and she didn’t make it.

It is a horrible feeling to have, because they crank it up to maximum pressure. You feel like you can’t breathe, and some patients try to take the mask off their face. One of the commonalities is that people were put in physical restraints. There are testimonies where people tried to get it off their face, but were zip-tied to the hospital bed.

What happened was just a nightmare, but that was the justification in the medical record that said, “We gave them full oxygen from BiPaP and they were still failing. It was then time to vent them.” That’s how we moved people along to ventilation, which was the big ticket, financial incentive item.

Mr. Jekielek:
Health care providers must have been brainwashed into following this protocol, because in many cases they were seeing patients not wanting to participate.

Ms. Paul:
That’s the key question and that is what everybody struggles with. How could this happen and how could people do this?

Mr. Jekielek:
I had no idea how powerful financial incentives could be.

Ms. Paul:
Right, this was a lesson.

Mr. Jekielek:
It was a huge lesson. There are these very perverse incentive structures where you get paid a lot of money to use a drug or to ventilate, and the government is supporting it financially. If the hospital has no other revenue, it all makes more sense. But after all, these are people that are doing this to other people. That is the difficult part to fathom.

Ms. Paul:
That’s what we all struggle with. There’s a couple of ways I’ve come to understand that. First of all, the hospital demanded their staff be vaccinated and the people who objected were fired. Those kinds of people were kicked out of there. There were people who tried to give other kinds of treatment, “Let’s give them hydroxychloroquine. Let’s do a vitamin C infusion.”

Those people were denied, sometimes they were fired, or they just left on their own. They couldn’t stand it. Nurses like Gail McCray said, “I feel like I’m participating in medical murder. I can’t do this. I’m going to leave.” There was a kind of purging where people were fired. There was also a natural purging where people just couldn’t take it anymore and they left.

Mr. Jekielek:
They just left quietly.

Ms. Paul:
Then there were a lot of foreign doctors and nurses. People from outside the regular system were brought in. There were traveling nurses. It wasn’t the normal hospital team working together. There was even a scandal that nurses from a nursing school that turned out to be fraudulent had been working in hospitals.

With the PREP Act, people who actually weren’t properly credentialed could do things. In normal times, they couldn’t do them, but now they could because it was an emergency. There were all kinds of things going on that by-passed the staff and made it different.

Mr. Jekielek:
It sounds like there was a selection of people who would rigidly follow rules.

Ms. Paul:
You have interviewed Dr. Richard Amerling. When he ran my articles on this he said, “They were just following the protocol, just like the Germans were following orders and doing what they were told. At the Nuremberg Trials they used that as an excuse.” Maybe someday there will be a reckoning for all of this. We were just talking about ventilation.

Mr. Jekielek:
Yes. We know it’s a very invasive procedure and not a lot of people make it through once they have that procedure.

Ms. Paul:
That’s right. Ventilation is horrible and painful. You get intubated and you lose your ability to speak and communicate. You can’t speak to your family on the phone anymore. Let me just add, that was another commonality in the 25 commonalities. They hid your phone or they put your phone deliberately out of reach and your call button out of reach. They didn’t want you communicating.

Even if you are lucky enough to have your phone, you can’t speak. You are intubated and it starts physically destroying the lungs. It starts shredding them and it gives you ventilation-acquired bacterial pneumonia. They’re giving you pneumonia, but they’re not treating you for pneumonia. You don’t get antibiotics.

Just look at where we are then. You’ve got Covid, but nobody’s treating you for Covid. You are given Remdesivir which is causing a cascade of organ failures. You’re starved, you’re dehydrated, you’re filled with all these crazy medications, your lungs are being destroyed, and you’ve got pneumonia. It’s not good.

I’d like to address the issue of informed consent in regard to ventilation. Remember, Ray Lamar showed up saying, “No vent. No Remdesivir.” He was given both of them. The doctor started screaming at Patty, “You’re killing him. You’re killing him,” until she finally gave in. Shortly thereafter, he died. Is that informed consent?

Michael Hamilton told me a story about a friend of his who was a nurse. She had been working for 26 years in the hospital where she was then hospitalized. She told them, “No vent.” The ventilators had become as notorious as Remdesivir. People didn’t want them. The doctor screamed at her, “You’re refusing medical advice. You are going to die and the insurance company won’t pay your hospital bills.”

She panicked, and in order to protect her family, she gave her consent. Apparently, according to Michael Hamilton, that was a frequent tactic. They said, “If you disobey medical advice, insurance won’t pay, and you’ll bankrupt your family.” How is that consent?

They weren’t allowed to leave the hospital. If you were in the hospital, you were a prisoner. This is a commonality we didn’t discuss and it’s important. You were not allowed to leave. Senator Ron Johnson says, “When patients entered the hospital, they lost all their rights. They became prisoners.” Families became desperate to get their loved one out of the hospital. They would call 911 and say, “I want to report a medical murder. They’re killing my mom. Go to room 303.” The police would show up and they would do nothing whatsoever.

A cottage industry sprang up of hospital rescue lawyers like Ralph Lorigo in Buffalo who families would contact. He told me that when he could get a case into court of a family asking to get their loved one out of there, when he could get the court to hear the case and the judge ruled in favor, the patients got out. They all went home and got appropriate treatment, and all those patients lived. When the judge refused to hear the case or ruled against them, all the patients died.

Gail Seiler was in the hospital and was dying. Her husband, Brad, showed up, armed with a printout of the Texas laws and letters from politicians like Allen West. There was a five-hour standoff with armed guards before they released Gail to him. You were actually a prisoner in the hospital.

You were denied your right to say, “I want to get out of here and go home. I want to get out of here and go to another hospital where they treat me the way I want to be treated.” Your human rights were taken away. This is profoundly un-American and different from anything we have ever experienced. We have to look at this with a very cold eye and say, “Where are we going with this?”

Both my parents are Holocaust survivors. My grandparents were murdered. As a result, I’m acutely sensitive to political changes and to the issues of informed consent, which is what the Nuremberg trials revolved around. I’m highly sensitive to that. We need to look very carefully and objectively and with a cold eye on what we’ve been going through here.

Mr. Jekielek:
I feel like people went mad.

Ms. Paul:
It was total madness. I was just speaking to people this morning who drew my attention to Hannah Arendt and her writings on Eichmann and the banality of evil. People just went along because it was their job. They had to protect their family’s income and they were just doing what they had to do to keep going. I’m sure these protocols attracted certain sadistic elements among the medical population. It’s tailor-made for them. This is the whole process leading up to being put on a ventilator.

Mr. Jekielek:
What happens after that?

Ms. Paul:
That’s the last big ticket item that the federal government paid bonuses on. What happens after that is the hospital calls your family and says, “We’re really sorry, your daughter is failing. Covid is just so dangerous. We’ve done everything we can, but we want to ease her suffering. We’re going to ease her suffering now.”

Your daughter, your son, your wife, your husband, your mother, your father, somebody you love with all your heart and soul will be injected with a cocktail of fentanyl, morphine, midazolam, and other powerful and dangerous drugs. For most people, that’s the end.

Mr. Jekielek:
You say there’s a thousand cases of this, documented with medical records. You’ve discovered these commonalities among many of them that string together this rough protocol of what happened. How many cases are there of people who were in hospitals given this kind of protocol? Do you know?

Ms. Paul:
That’s a key question. We need to have a forensic analysis. We need to get to the point where there’s an investigation and we can take a cold, hard look at all of this. If the death certificate says Covid with renal failure, we know Covid viruses don’t cause renal failure. Remdesivir causes renal failure. Anything that says renal failure, we need to assume this death was partially precipitated by this protocol of Remdesivir.

Somebody knowledgeable has to come in and look at all of this. We have to get these cases into court and get discovery. The numbers are going to be staggering, because hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people were hospitalized.

If we look at their death certificates, they weren’t given the stuff we know works. They weren’t given ivermectin and they weren’t given hydroxychloroquine. They weren’t given all this good stuff that the doctors you interviewed had recommended. They were never actually treated for Covid. In a sense, they did die of Covid, because it was never treated. When we obtain a real forensic analysis, it’s going to be staggering.

Mr. Jekielek:
It’s the lack of early treatment that precipitated that whole cascade in the first place. Of the people that were treated early on, the vast majority were fine.

Ms. Paul:
That’s why I even gave my husband’s story. He was a frail man in a nursing home for six years that was treated with chloroquine and recovered. Why not a healthy 30-year-old? Can anybody find in the history of medical science where patients were told, “Don’t do anything until it gets really, really bad. Don’t try to stop this.” It’s completely illogical.

Mr. Jekielek:
People have certain pre-conceived notions in their minds. It is these beliefs and these perverse financial incentive structures that have caused this. There has also been this selection of people who are more compliant and say, “I’ll just follow the rules for whatever reason.” It is the combination of these things that led to terrible outcomes.

Ms. Paul:
I agree with you. I didn’t realize how powerful financial incentives are. Big financial incentives were paid out upon death by the federal government.

Mr. Jekielek:
When Covid was flagged as the cause, correct?

Ms. Paul:
Right. It was very important to get the Covid death certificate. Sometimes families were never given their body. That’s one of the 25 commonalities. The hospitals refused to release the body. That really happened, they refused to release the body,

Mr. Jekielek:
Astonishing.

Ms. Paul:
They paid families. They sent letters to families saying that because the patient had died of Covid, FEMA would pay their funeral expenses. Patty Myers got that letter and said, “I feel like they’re trying to shut me up about what they did to my Tony. She took the $9,000 and used it to make a documentary called, “Making A Killing.” about her husband Tony, and about other people who died this way. That’s what happened to people who had Covid on their death certificate.

My husband didn’t have that because his circumstances were different. He died of a heart attack after getting the vaccine in the nursing home. I got a letter two or three months after he died. I got a letter on official New York FEMA stationary saying, “If you can find a doctor willing to testify that your husband died of Covid, we will pay his funeral expenses.”

I saw that and felt physically ill and threw that letter in the trash. I wish I kept it as evidence, but Michael Hamilton told me that a lot of people got those letters and a lot of families took it because they needed the money. I don’t blame anybody who needed the money and took that money.

Sometimes it was the breadwinner of the family who died and the family was in terrible financial straits as a result of that death, so I don’t blame them. But the government was essentially committing fraud, using that Covid death certificate to make the payout happen and keep driving up the numbers of deaths attributed to Covid.

Mr. Jekielek:
There are some lawsuits being attempted, but there’s the liability shield that would make that very difficult. What’s in store here for the future?

Ms. Paul:
I would like to leave this interview with a tribute to these wonderful people. They have support groups online every day of the week, sometimes three or four support groups going, and I’m on some of them. These are wonderful people from every walk of life and every background all across the country. They come together and they share this bond. One thing they’re trying to do is help each other get through this nightmare.

If you go to the Covid-19 Humanity Betrayal Memory Project and start communicating with them, they will help you find a support group if you need it. That’s key. You can join with them in the struggle to find lawyers willing to do it and to raise funds for it, which is important. It’s so hard to raise funds for this and also to raise awareness of it in the public.

I want to leave you with an image of something that happened this summer. There is a spiritual element to this battle that everybody on these calls feels. We all feel the spiritual battle of good vs. evil that we’ve been drawn into. We all feel that we’re greatly outmatched. There is also much talk of David vs. Goliath, with David winning.

I’d like to leave you with an image of the New Jersey chapter of the FormerFedsGroup Freedom Foundation, one of these bereaved activist armies. They are very active and a hat tip to Charlene del Fico who’s doing such a good job.

I want to leave you with an image from last summer of how they’re doing everything they can. They gathered on the beach, they linked arms, and they looked up at the sky. They had hired a plane to fly by on a busy summer day when the beach-goers were there. The plane flew by with a banner about the hospital death protocol and that’s how David is trying to fight Goliath.

Mr. Jekielek:
Stella Paul, it’s such a pleasure to have you on the show.

Ms. Paul:
Thank you so much.

Mr. Jekielek:
Thank you all for joining Stella Paul and me on this episode of American Thought Leaders. I’m your host, Jan Jekielek.

This interview was edited for clarity and brevity.