Former Air Force Engineer on a Mission to Investigate Rise in Unusual Blood Clotting: Thomas Haviland

[FULL TRANSCRIPT BELOW] “The lack of response I’ve gotten by the FDA and the CDC leads me to believe that those agencies are captured. They should be doing this job. They should be out there surveying all the funeral homes and the embalmers around the world and trying to find out if this is a COVID problem. Is this a COVID vaccine problem? What’s causing these things? You can’t deny they exist, because here they are.”

In this episode, I sit down with Thomas Haviland, a retired Air Force engineer and data analyst. After being fired from the military for refusing to take the COVID-19 genetic vaccine, he noticed that embalmers and funeral homes were speaking out about large, abnormal blood clots.

“We should stop injections immediately, until Big Pharma can prove that these things really are safe, because the information I’ve gathered in this survey, I think, puts that greatly into question,” says Mr. Haviland.

He conducted two worldwide surveys of hundreds of embalmers.

“We got 179 responses to that first survey. Of those, 119 of the embalmers responding were seeing these strange white fibrous clots. Almost exactly 66 percent, two-thirds of the embalmers responding to that first survey said they were seeing these white fibrous clots … They were seeing them in up to an average of 30 percent of their corpses, with some of the embalmers seeing them in up to 50 percent,” says Mr. Haviland.

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FULL TRANSCRIPT

Jan Jekielek:
Thomas Haviland, such a pleasure to have you on American Thought Leaders.

Thomas Haviland:
Jan, thanks for having me on the show to talk about this very important topic.

Mr. Jekielek:
I first heard rumors about these fibrous white clots and there was a film that showcased this issue. I have to say I was very suspicious. There were a lot of crazy things going around back then. Subsequently, I was introduced to your work, and we had one of our reporters, Alan Stein, follow up with you. You did your surveys anonymously and you were generous enough to share your database with us. Alan went out and contacted all 1,700 of the embalmers that you reached out to. It turns out that a number of them indeed said they are seeing these things. We did a lot of our own due diligence, and this is a real thing.

Mr. Haviland:
I watched that film, Died Suddenly. It premiered the week of Thanksgiving, 2022, and I almost didn’t watch the whole movie. When it started, it was kind of crazy. It had included Bigfoot and the moon landing and other things. I almost turned it off, but then said, “I’ll stick with it a little longer.” I’m glad that I did because at the 13:15 mark in that movie, an amazing statement was made.

A embalmer from the state of Indiana, a Mr. Wallace Hooker, was lecturing at an Ohio Embalmers Association conference in Columbus, Ohio on the 26th of October in 2022. He was lecturing to a room of about 100 embalmers. He showed photographs of these white fibrous clots that he had been pulling out of his corpses for the last couple of years. He said, “By a show of hands, are any of you seeing these same white fibrous clots?

Almost the entire room of 100 embalmers raised their hands. Then he asked, “When did you start seeing them?’ They said, “In the middle of 2021, about six months after the Covid-19 vaccines were rolled out. Whatever else went on in that movie, and I know there were some problems with it, that statement was either true or false. Either those embalmers raised their hands or they didn’t.

I got up the next morning and said, “I don’t think any reporter is going to chase after this story.” I decided to contact the Ohio Embalmers Association in Cincinnati, Ohio. I talked to their president, their vice president, and their secretary. I asked all three gentlemen, “Did you happen to be in the room when those 100 embalmers supposedly raised their hands saying they were seeing these clots?” Unfortunately, none of those three gentlemen happened to be in the room at the time.

But the vice president, who runs his own funeral home in a small town north of where I live, does his own embalming. A lot of funeral directors do their own embalming. He said, “Tom, I’m seeing the white fibers clots too.” That was an aha moment for me. Now, I had the vice president of the Ohio Embalmers Association corroborating with these six or seven embalmers in this Died Suddenly movie, who I thought might possibly be kooks. Right then and there I decided I would need to do a worldwide survey to find out how big this phenomenon was.

Mr. Jekielek:
You’ve done some pretty remarkable work, but this isn’t your field of expertise. Please tell us about yourself and where you come from.

Mr. Haviland:
I have a bachelor’s in mathematics from Ohio State University, a bachelor’s in electrical engineering from Louisiana Tech University, and a master’s in mathematics from Ohio State University. I’m also a professor at Ohio State University. I’ve done a lot of research in computer resources and information management from Webster University in St. Louis.

I spent 20 years in the United States Air Force working with aircraft like the F-16, the F-22, the F-117 stealth fighters. I loved my career and really enjoyed being an engineer and a data analyst within the Air Force. After I got out of the Air Force, I did 16 more years as a defense contractor
with the Air Force, so 36 years in and around the U.S. Air Force.

But it all came to an abrupt halt in October of 2021. Joe Biden came out with the vaccine mandates for not just the U.S. military and the government
civilians, but also defense contractors, of which I was one, working at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio. I had already done some research during that year and saw that even though our CDC wasn’t putting out good information, the UK was. They had a document called SARS-CoV-2 Variance of Concern Technical Briefing 23 put out by Public Health England, their version of the CDC.

In Table 5 of that document, it showed hundreds of thousands of breakthrough cases of Covid amongst the fully vaccinated by the early fall of 2021. I knew about the Nuremberg Code. We were not getting informed consent. Based upon ethical reasons and the data, because I’m a data guy, I decided not to get this jab.

A three-star Air Force general had sent out an email to the base in early October and basically told everybody the dates they had to get the shot by or else get kicked out. I sent him back an email and said, “Shame on you. Instead of standing up for our right to decide for ourselves whether or not to take an experimental drug, you spent your time trying to guilt us into taking the jab. Shame on you.” I knew what was going to happen.

First of all, I didn’t just send the email to him. I cc’d all 30,000 people that work at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, so then I really knew what was going to happen. I got a call a half-hour later from my defense contractor boss, and I was fired from my $165,000 a year job as an electrical engineer, because I shamed the Air Force general in front of the entire base. Somebody had to do it though.
Somebody had to push back. None of the colonels or generals at the base were pushing back on these unlawful mandates. I made a stand right then and there, and I would do the same thing again. I consider those senior officers to be either cowards or tyrants, because that’s not what our country is based on. It’s based on individual freedom. You should have the right to choose for yourself whether or not you want to take an experimental drug.

Mr. Jekielek:
I have a number of relatives in the military. You knew this was going to happen, because it all comes down to the chain of command.

Mr. Haviland:
Yes.

Mr. Jekielek:
The military is trained to obey lawful orders. The only problem is that this was an unlawful order.

Mr. Haviland:
It wound up to be a blessing though, because I just retired early. You don’t have to cry for me, because I am drawing an Air Force retirement salary. I was also just one year away from taking social security early at age 62. My wife is about 10 years younger than me and she still works. We were able to make it financially, even though at the time we had a couple of kids in college at pretty expensive schools. But it gave me the opportunity to do the two worldwide blood clot surveys that we’re going to talk about.

Mr. Jekielek:
You have done two surveys now. Please give us a sense of what you discovered.

Mr. Haviland:
I used a two-prong approach for distributing the survey. I have to give a shout out to my assistant, Laura Kasner from northeastern Ohio, a wonderful friend. She also just happens to be an expert on SurveyMonkey, the tool we used to conduct the survey. I came up with the questions for the survey and made them as unbiased as possible.

In both surveys I did not mention the words Covid or Covid vaccine, because I did not want to lead the witness. I only asked the embalmers, “What did you see? When did you see it? In what percentage of your corpses are you seeing these phenomena?” The embalmers are not qualified to answer how or why these clots are forming. But they can tell you what they are seeing, when they saw it, and how often.

I developed the questions, gave them to Laura and she put them into SurveyMonkey. Then I had to figure out how to distribute the survey. I wanted to get as wide a distribution as possible. I used a top-down approach by sending it to 50 national, regional, and state funeral director associations around the world. Each of those has hundreds of member funeral directors and embalmers in those organizations.

I also used a bottom-up approach. I actually looked up the email addresses for over 1,700 funeral homes around the world and sent them the survey directly. Using this two-prong approach, I was hoping to maximize my number of responses. In the first survey, we got 179 responses. Of those, 119 of the embalmers responded that were seeing these strange white fibrous clots.

That means that two-thirds of the embalmers responding to that first survey said that they were seeing these white fibrous clots. There was a five-part question that we asked, “In what years did you see the clots?” I wanted them to mark every year that they were seeing the clots. I listed 2018 and 2019 as control years, not expecting to have anybody answer for those years because I believe these are a new phenomenon.

I also had 2020 on there because we had Covid but no vaccines yet. I had 2021 and 2022 because obviously we had both Covid and the vaccines. What was interesting, we did get a few responses from embalmers saying they were seeing these in 2018 and 2019. I was expecting to get no answers from those years.

When I went back and looked through those answers that came in, they did the entire survey within like less than a minute. They may have hurried through the survey. They may have misunderstood the questions. It’s possible they may have missed my instructions.

My instructions said make sure to distinguish between these white fibrous clots and chicken fat clots which embalmers have been seeing for a long time. They’re much smaller, yellowish in color, and tear very easily. They are much different than these long, large, white fibrous clots that are rubbery, elastic, and tough. I suspect that some of the embalmers that checked the years 2018 and 2019 may have hurried through the survey or mistaken the white fibrous clots for chicken fat clots.

There were 44 embalmers that saw these white fibrous clots in the year 2020, the year that we had Covid, but no vaccines yet. That leads me to believe that the Covid virus itself can be partly responsible for the formation of these clots. The Covid virus has a spike protein on its surface and that spike protein can lead to the formation of amyloid proteins, which is a fancy term for a misshapen protein that can build up to the point where it causes a heart attack or a stroke.

But many of the embalmers in that first survey said they started seeing the clots in the year 2021 and then it continued into 2022. The data is leading me to believe that the spike protein is the problem, whether it comes from the virus or it comes from the vaccine. But it looks like many more of the embalmers saw it with the years the vaccines came out. I have to be careful here, because correlation is not necessarily causation.

Mr. Jekielek:
You went out to establish if this was real or not, which was pretty simple. What prompted you to do the second survey?

Mr. Haviland:
I wanted to know what the embalmers were seeing in 2023. By the way, in that first survey, the embalmers were seeing these clots on average in about 30 percent of their corpses, so this was not a rare phenomenon. They were seeing these white fibrous clots in a high percentage of their corpses. Those were the three main conclusions of the first survey.

Two-thirds of the embalmers were indeed seeing these white fibrous clots.
For most of the embalmers, the main consensus was that they started in 2021, although some saw them in 2020. The other conclusion is that they were seeing them in 30 percent of their corpses, with some of the embalmers seeing them in up to 50 percent of their corpses.

Mr. Jekielek:
Looking at your data, there are lots of questions that aren’t easy to answer without having even more data. These are anonymous surveys. When we followed up with these 1,700 funeral homes they were not enthusiastic. A few of them said, “These are conspiracy theories. Don’t talk to us anymore.” But in anonymous circumstances, it is different.

Mr. Haviland:
Yes. We turned off the IP tracking feature in SurveyMonkey to make the embalmers as comfortable as possible. The first question in both of the surveys was, “What state or province are you from?” But that’s as far as we went, because we wanted them to feel comfortable that we were not going to track them and identify them. It was important that we did that.

One of the things that led me to do the second survey is the lack of response that I got from the FDA about the first survey. When I had completed the first survey, I immediately sent the FDA a PowerPoint presentation with the results of all my SurveyMonkey files and all the data I had collected. They had a meeting of their Vaccine and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee on the 26th of January, 2023. I actually asked to speak at that meeting.

They had an hour set aside for oral presentations and they gave 20 speakers three minutes apiece to talk. I prepared a short three-minute speech with the three main results of the survey. Unfortunately, a lottery ensued and I was not selected as one of the speakers. But I did submit all of my information in written format, and I got a tracking number from the FDA.

Throughout the entire year, the FDA and the CDC never contacted me—not once through the entire year. That told me that I needed to do this again, because they were ignoring me. I said, “We need to keep collecting data, because I’m the only person in the world that is collecting this information and trying to quantify this. Without the surveys, all you have is anecdotal information from just a dozen or so embalmers.

Mr. Jekielek:
It’s also difficult, because for a survey type situation, this is pretty low sample size.

Mr. Haviland:
Yes. I was hoping that by sending it out to 1,700 funeral homes and 50 funeral associations, each with hundreds of members in total, it probably could have reached 3,000 to 5,000 embalmers. Let’s talk about our second survey now. I got 269 embalmers to respond to the second survey, which is good and better than the 179 in the first one. It’s a substantial increase from the first round. I would love to have 3,000, or even 500 would have been great.

Because the more data you have, the more confidence you have in the results. I know that as a data analyst. But I still believe that even the first survey of 179 and certainly the second survey of 269 responses is enough to say, “Houston, we have a problem.” Jan, you may be wondering, “What is your real goal, Tom?” My real goal is to get the CDC and the FDA to look at this for themselves.

I’m a retired Air Force guy and I shouldn’t have to do this. I’m doing their job for them, and they should be out there doing this work. They should be looking at the potential link between the Covid-19 vaccines and this unusual clotting, these white fibrous clots, and another phenomenon called micro-clotting.

Mr. Jekielek:
You are seeing things which are new, different, and troubling. There have certainly been all sorts of adverse events that have been documented in VAERS [Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System]. system. Then there are these clots, which are also a signal.

Mr. Haviland:
Absolutely.

Mr. Jekielek:
This is a signal that deserves an investigation.

Mr. Haviland:
It is an interesting one as well, because unlike myocarditis or tinnitus, this is a side effect you can see. John Campbell looked through five or six of his medical books and said, “Tom, I can’t find any pictures of these. All I can see is grape jelly clots and chicken fat clots.”

Mr. Jekielek:
You keep holding up that vial of the clots. Where did you get that?

Mr. Haviland:
This was supplied by Richard Hirschman. Richard is a trade embalmer who embalms hundreds of bodies a year.

Mr. Jekielek:
What does that mean, a trade embalmer?

Mr. Haviland:
Trade embalmers don’t work for one particular funeral home, they actually contract out to many. Richard works for almost a dozen different funeral homes.

Mr. Jekielek:
I see. They basically have more work.

Mr. Haviland:
They work more, so he sees more bodies. He has sent samples of these clots all over the world, including to our good friend, Dr. Ryan Cole. Ryan has looked at these under the microscope, and he has determined that these white fibrous clots are made of fibrin. We have a fibrinogen in our system in the liquid form. When there is damage to the vascular system, it converts from liquid fibrin into solid fibrin, and it’s white in color.

Ryan said they also contain platelets as well, and then this strange amyloid-like material. There are a few theories for how that is being formed. One of them, called frameshifting, comes from a paper that came out of the University of Cambridge a few months ago. It was talked about at this conference today.

It’s when our ribosomes may be misreading the modified RNA code from the vaccine about one-tenth of the time. Instead of producing the proper spike protein, which it’s supposed to, it’s producing what’s called an aberrant or nonsense protein. The late Arne Burkhardt from Germany had some of this material and looked at it. I believe he found 139 different proteins in the sample he looked at.

That would tend to support the aberrant or nonsense protein theory of our ribosomes accidentally producing the incorrect proteins of different lengths about 10 percent of the time. It is skipping the nucleotides on the code once in a while, and then it causes you to produce the incorrect amino acid, which then in turn produces the incorrect protein.

Mr. Jekielek:
You’re referring to this paper in Nature magazine that talked about this being in eight percent of the cases. It wasn’t in vivo and it wasn’t in body. Another thing that needs to be explored is what’s happening to people with these unknown proteins.

Mr. Haviland:
Yes, that’s just one of the theories. Richard has been good enough to collect samples and send them to laboratories all over the world where scientists are working on how or why the clots are forming. That had nothing to do with my survey, though. My survey asked, “What are you seeing? When did you see it? How often did you see it?”

Mr. Jekielek:
How did you conduct the second survey? I believe you upgraded it and then got more data. Please tell us about that.

Mr. Haviland:
This year, we asked the embalmers again, “Are you seeing the white fibrous clots?” Of the 269 embalmers that responded to the survey, 197 of them, 73 percent this time, said that they were seeing them in the year 2023. It’s about the same rate. Remember last year it was 66 percent, now it’s 73 percent, so it’s still seeing them about seven out of every 10 times.

We asked them, “In what percentage of your corpses are you seeing them this year?” This year, it was about 20 percent of their corpses, which is interesting, because that’s down from 30 percent last year. But you might expect that as you get further and further away from people taking their last Covid-19 vaccines, if the vaccines are what is causing this.

According to the CDC, 80 percent of American adults over the age of 18 took their last jabs way back in 2021. Only 20 percent of Americans took the BA.4, BA.5 bivalent Omicron booster in the fall of 2022. Then less than 15 percent of Americans took the XBB1.5 booster that came out the fall of 2023. As you get further and further away from your last jabs, you might expect the percentage of these in your systems to go down if the vaccine was the cause.

That’s what the embalmer saw, a decrease from 30 percent last year to 20 percent on average this year. Still though, there were a lot of embalmers that were seeing them in up to 50 percent of their corpses. Again, this is a prevalent issue and not a rare phenomenon.

Mr. Jekielek:
These things are prevalent. Why do you think more people responded to the survey this time?

Mr. Haviland:
I have an interesting story about that. I started this year’s survey on the 8th of December, and I ran it till the 8th of January. I ran it for one month. I started off sending an email to the entire world on the first day. Then about two weeks into it, I sent a second email to the world saying, “There’s still time to take the survey.”

Mr. Jekielek:
The world meaning, the 1,700 funeral homes and the 50 associations?

Mr. Haviland:
Yes. Then I’ll send an email about a week before the survey closes. I give them three reminders, “The survey’s still open. There is still time to take it.” After I sent my first email out, I checked SurveyMonkey. Five days later, on the 13th of December, I only had about 14 responses. I said, “This is terrible. I need to get more responses than this.”

I had a list made up of all the 30 U.S. state funeral director associations that I had sent both surveys to. By the way, I sent the surveys to the same group last year as I did this year, because I wanted to have a consistency that way as well. I called up the 30 U.S. state director associations, and I talked to the president, the secretary, or somebody in their office. I said, “Could you please forward that email that I sent you last week to all your embalmers so they can take this survey?”

Jan, God bless the Pennsylvania Funeral Directors Association.They did exactly as I asked. I know that because the next day I got up and checked my SurveyMonkey, and I had 93 responses from embalmers, and they were all from one state, Pennsylvania. I then got up the next day, and I had 32 more responses from embalmers, and they were all from one state, Pennsylvania. In two days I got 125 responses from embalmers in just a single U.S. state.

That told me two things. First of all, embalmers will tell you what they’re seeing in the embalming room if they feel like they have the permission of their funeral director boss or their state funeral director association. But remember, I also sent that email to 29 other U.S. state funeral director associations. What do you think they did with my email? They didn’t even forward it down to their funeral directors or their active embalmers. They probably never saw this survey to take in the first place.

There are two reasons why that might be happening. One is that a lot of these funeral director association presidents are funeral directors themselves. They usually elect one of their own as the president of their association. Would you want to participate in a survey that might show a link between the Covid-19 vaccines and these white fibrous clots and these other issues if you had mandated all your employees of your funeral home, including your embalmer, take the Covid-19 vaccine? If somebody gets injured in your funeral home, one of your employees, you might be setting yourself up for a lawsuit.

The other reason, as we mentioned earlier, 80 percent of Americans took at least the first two jabs back in 2021. There might be some personal cognitive dissonance on the part of these funeral director association presidents and funeral directors to not want to know the answer to the survey.

Mr. Jekielek:
These types of issues should not be discussed. Everybody knows that.

Mr. Haviland:
Yes, you’re right. The embalmers have seen doctors get their licenses pulled and their board certifications taken away. The funeral business and the embalming business have always been private businesses. You don’t talk about the dead and you keep things quiet. That is going on as well. There is a certain sanctity to the embalming room.

Mr. Jekielek:
Tell us about micro-clotting. I had Dr. Jordan Vaughn on the show, who’s an expert at treating micro-clotting. It’s like both long Covid and vaccine injury. What did you find with respect to micro-clotting?

Mr. Haviland:
I’m familiar with Jordan Vaughn’s work and God bless him for doing what he’s doing. This year, the embalmers said that I need to ask about this micro-clotting issue, but they don’t call it that. To them, it looks like what they call coffee grounds. They call it coffee grounds or dirty blood in the drainage coming off the corpses.

They’re trying to get the formaldehyde in. To them it looks like coffee grounds in the blood. We asked them, did you see this phenomenon in 2023? Of the 269 embalmers that responded to the survey, 212 of them saw this phenomenon. That’s 79 percent, almost eight out of 10.

The next natural question is, “In what percentage of your corpses are you seeing this?” The average was 25 percent, with some of the embalmers seeing this micro-clotting in up to 50 percent or more of their corpses. Again, this is not a rare phenomenon. This is something that embalmers have seen in the past.

Mr. Jekielek:
That was my next question.

Mr. Haviland:
They have seen it, but in patients that had heavy chemotherapy, definitely less than 5 percent of their corpses. We’ve had a quintupling from less than 5 percent of corpses to 25 percent of corpses having this micro-clotting issue. This can be just as dangerous as these large white fibrous clots.

Micro-clotting occurs at the capillary level and it can block the exchange of oxygen at the lungs. Then they carry that oxygen into all the major organs of the body, including your brain and eyes. You have very small capillaries in your eyes. I’m not happy to report the results of this survey, because they’re disturbing.

Some of the other issues that we’ve looked at this year is an increase in infant deaths. The good news is that 80 percent of the embalmers who responded to this year’s survey said they did not see an increase in infant deaths in the year 2023 compared to the years prior to Covid. Again, I didn’t state the question that way. In the survey I said, “To the year 2019 or prior,” because I never mentioned the words Covid or vaccine in the questions.

Some of the embalmers are saying there seems to be a lot more cremation of infants these days. Obviously, if there’s any evidence of anything wrong with the child that evidence is being destroyed. Some of the embalmers have also told me the hospitals are now more prone to ask the couple if they would like the remains disposed of at the hospital. That seems to be happening more as well, so the embalmers may not be seeing as many infants as they used to.

But of the ones that did, the next question we asked was, “What increase did you see in infant deaths in 2023 compared to 2019 and prior?” For those that were seeing that phenomenon the average answer was about 25 percent. They were seeing a 25 percent increase in infant deaths in the year 2023.

We know that the spike protein from the vaccine is getting through mother’s breast milk to the child. There have been papers out on that. A paper came out recently saying that the spike protein from the vaccine has been found in the delivered placentas of women after they have the child.

The last question we had on this year’s survey dealt with age stratification, which we didn’t ask about last year. We allow them to answer about all the age groups, so they could mark multiple answers on this one. We asked, “Have you seen an increase in types of clots, whether they’re grape jelly, white fibrous, or this micro-clotting in any of these particular age groups?” We basically had it set up in 15-year periods.

Unfortunately, the embalmers were seeing an increase in all age groups.
The 60 to 80-year-old category was the one that had the largest number of responses. There were 89 embalmers that saw an increase in the 36 to 50-year-old category. That disturbs me, because you usually don’t associate that age group with heart attacks or strokes. Usually, that doesn’t start happening until you’re in your late 50s or early 60s, at the earliest.

This all tends to dovetail very closely with the work that Edward Dowd is doing. He has been taking a look at the insurance death and disability data, and he saw an explosion in death and disability in the 36 to 50-year-old age group starting in the third quarter of 2021, which just happens to be after the vaccines were mandated on a large portion of the population in the United States. The embalmer data seems to be dovetailing very closely with the insurance death and disability data information being collected by Edward Dowd.

Mr. Jekielek:
How do you know that these surveys were filled out by the right people?

Mr. Haviland:
I sent it to funeral homes, and I sent it to national and state funeral director associations. Unfortunately, the lack of response I’ve gotten by the FDA and the CDC leads me to believe that those agencies are captured. Like I said, they should be doing this job. They should be out there surveying all the funeral homes and the embalmers around the world and trying to find out if this is a Covid problem or a Covid vaccine problem. What is causing these things? They can’t deny that they exist because here they are.

Mr. Jekielek:
It would be very valuable to have other data sets with other information to map onto what you have found.

Mr. Haviland:
I know some other gentlemen have been asking for vaccination records. Steve Kirsch has been asking for them, and none of the state health agencies want to give that information out to the general public. They always claim privacy reasons. Why don’t they want to release the vaccination records of people that are deceased? It is kind of strange, because how can you protect the privacy of someone who has died?

It would be nice for me to have the vaccination records of all the people the white fibrous cloths were showing up in. Embalmers usually do not get a chance to talk to the families of the deceased. But there are a number of embalmers who are also the funeral directors themselves, like the vice president of the Ohio Embalmers Association that I mentioned earlier.

One of the women that was in the Died Suddenly film is in that unique position. She’s a funeral director and she’s also the embalmer. Whenever she finds the white fibrous clots, she will ask the family, “Did your loved one happen to take the Covid-19 vaccine?” She said that 100 percent of the time, without fail, the answer is, “Yes.” I know that’s anecdotal, but that’s an operational hypothesis. That’s something we can start from and move on from there.

Mr. Jekielek:
What you have found raises many questions that one would hope would lead to a number of formal studies with statistical significance.

Mr. Haviland:
I totally agree with you. I would love to see the FDA and CDC go out and do their own survey of embalmers and funeral homes around the world. If they come up with statistics that are totally different from mine, so be it. I think they’ll come up with something very similar to what I’ve come up with, because I’ve run the survey as unbiasedly as I could, and I kept every response. At the end of both surveys, we had an optional comments box where the embalmers could provide more information about what they were seeing in the embalming room.

That’s going to be a big part of the process. Even though I never mentioned the words Covid or Covid vaccine anywhere in the survey, many of the comments either implicated the vaccines as the cause of these white fibrous clots, or else they staunchly defended the vaccines as not causing these white fibrous clots. The embalmers really had their own very opinionated theory.

Mr. Jekielek:
A final thought as we finish up?

Mr. Haviland:
This is a serious issue if the vaccines are causing these white fibrous clots, and this excessive micro-clotting that we’re seeing. There are other side effects like myocarditis, nerve damage, miscarriages, and turbo cancers. Then big pharma is ready to come out next year with more shots for us. They’ve got an mRNA-based shot using lipid nanoparticle technology as the delivery system for the RSV virus, for the shingles, and for the flu shot.

Moderna has 40 of these mRNA based vaccines in the pipeline to come out over the next several years that they want to pump into not just hundreds of millions of arms, but billions of arms around the planet. I’m calling for a moratorium. We should stop injections immediately until big pharma can prove that these things really are safe. Because the information that I’ve gathered in the survey seriously puts that into question.

Mr. Jekielek:
There is a significant number of medical professionals and experts who are calling for the same moratorium. It’s not an unusual request at the moment. Thomas Haviland, it’s such a pleasure to have you on the show.

Mr. Haviland:
Thanks, Jan, I really appreciate it.

Mr. Jekielek:
Thank you all for joining Thomas Haviland and me on this episode of American Thought Leaders. I’m your host, Jan Jekielek.

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