So the military actually conduct the Military-CivilFusion projects and that there is a massive network from military to civilian scientist and also infiltrate America and other countries so they can get new technology from other countries, they can establish
There is a civil-militaryfusion doctrine. If there is a military application for technology, which obviously there is here, it is exploited as much as possible. Why are we still doing this development in China?
Mr.
We talked about the civil-militaryfusion a bit. Often, people in the West that are doing business with China imagine that it's working by the same set of rules, by essentially free market rules.
As you say, now it's using civil-militaryfusion, that research can be misused for malevolent purposes or to advance Chinese military, to advance the modernization of Chinese military at a time when China is being increasingly aggressive and assertive
But there's this, for example, complete lack of awareness about the concept of civil-militaryfusion, which is dominant in how Chinese industry and the educational field interacts and works together. What do you think about that?
Sen.
Jekielek:
I often describe TikTok from the perspective of the Chinese Communist Party having particular influence on this app, by its own laws and also by its own policies of civil-militaryfusion.
We're going to see, as a part of this decoupling between the United States and China, that tech companies are going to be forced out of China one way or another, and that's a good thing because of this whole concept of civil-militaryfusion, which means
Nuclear power: We are the greatest civilian user of nuclear power, and we are ahead in fusion nuclear power. For military purposes, I do not want to get into that, but we have 6,000 to 7,000 nuclear weapons. China has 600 to 700.
With civil-militaryfusion, their roll-on, roll-off ferries, the use of civilian aircraft, they have enormous capabilities, an enormous lift already. It would be hard to argue they are not designing a military capable of that specific task.
For example, the civilmilitaryfusion that the Chinese regime mandates basically, right throughout its system.
Mr. Chaillan: Yes.
Mr. Jekielek: But let's go back to what's happening here in the U.S.
Jekielek: It's astounding, and it's actually a little even more complicated, I think, because of this academic-militaryfusion situation that's basically par for the course in China but very different in the West. Can you tell me about that?
Mr.