There is a civil-military fusion doctrine. If there is a military application for technology, which obviously there is here, it is exploited as much as possible. Why are we still doing this development in China? Mr.

Nuclear power: We are the greatest civilian user of nuclear power, and we are ahead in fusion nuclear power. For military purposes, I do not want to get into that, but we have 6,000 to 7,000 nuclear weapons. China has 600 to 700.

Another thing that always gets me is there's such a lack of understanding in the West of this civil military fusion doctrine in China.

As you say, now it's using civil-military fusion, that research can be misused for malevolent purposes or to advance Chinese military, to advance the modernization of Chinese military at a time when China is being increasingly aggressive and assertive

But there's this, for example, complete lack of awareness about the concept of civil-military fusion, which is dominant in how Chinese industry and the educational field interacts and works together. What do you think about that? Sen.

Jekielek: I often describe TikTok from the perspective of the Chinese Communist Party having particular influence on this app, by its own laws and also by its own policies of civil-military fusion.

We're going to see, as a part of this decoupling between the United States and China, that tech companies are going to be forced out of China one way or another, and that's a good thing because of this whole concept of civil-military fusion, which means

With civil-military fusion, their roll-on, roll-off ferries, the use of civilian aircraft, they have enormous capabilities, an enormous lift already. It would be hard to argue they are not designing a military capable of that specific task.

There's this concept in China, what we call civil-military fusion, where the government works hand in hand with business.

For example, the civil military fusion that the Chinese regime mandates basically, right throughout its system. Mr. Chaillan: Yes. Mr. Jekielek: But let's go back to what's happening here in the U.S.

He and the rest of the Permanent Bipartisan Fusion Party establishment should look in the mirror.

In March of 1864, General Grant was appointed to lead the Union Army, and his military skills helped the Union achieve victory in April of 1865.

with U.S. allies and civil society.

This includes military personnel, Department of Defense and other federal civil servants, U.S. lawmakers and their staff.

entities, the federal intelligence community, the military, and even private companies, to spy on Americans in virtually complete secrecy.”

Jekielek: It's astounding, and it's actually a little even more complicated, I think, because of this academic-military fusion situation that's basically par for the course in China but very different in the West. Can you tell me about that? Mr.